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Assuming a pilot is so outside the realm of imagination that he would not respond by pushing up the power, then I figure we are dealing with a character about which anything could be imagined. So who knows what he would do? Perhaps when the stick shaker goes off he would respond by picking his nose or poking a pencil in his eye.

See, what I'm saying is, when you have a person who is so out of it that he flies too slow and doesn't respond to the stall warning, all bets are off.

We have to figure he wasn't the brightest; his previous job was stock... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Capt Tom Bunn MSW LCSW) http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/sreply/7224 Sat, 11 Jul 2009 02:32:41 PST http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/reply/7222/t/Colgan-Air-and-Saab-340.html#reply-7222 "...Although some have downplayed the fact that the crew was apparently yakking away about non-operational things during the sterile cockpit period (below 10,000 feet), I can't help but think that this may have contributed to their apparently not noticing the fact that the airspeed had decreased to the point of stalling..."

I mentioned this on FlyerTalk after the accident, and the resident pilots basically told me I was an idiot because everyone does it. IMO, if it wasn't potentially an issue, the rule wouldn't exist.

Maybe it's one of those rules--like personal web browsing at some companies--that they only really enforce when it's an egregious violation. I have no idea. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (OneAnt) http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/sreply/7222 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:45:02 PST http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/reply/7221/t/Colgan-Air-and-Saab-340.html#reply-7221
That may not even be relevant. It appears (although the NTSB accident report is probably at least several months from being released) that there were some training deficiencies related to the BUF accident. One theory (highly plausible to me) is that the stick-pusher deployed when a stall occurred, and since the Captain had never seen this, he didn't know how to correctly interpret it, and subsequently mishandled the situation, attempting to pull the nose back up, which in this case would have been exactly the WRONG thing to do.

I recently retired from American Airlines, and flew the MD-80 off and on for a number of years. In fact, it was the last airplane I flew there. It has a stick pusher, and that was demonstrated to us during training. When it deploys, the control yoke is... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Capn Steve) http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/sreply/7221 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:35:19 PST http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/reply/7214/t/Colgan-Air-and-Saab-340.html#reply-7214
The SAAB is a great plane with a great safety record. Go for it. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Capt Tom Bunn MSW LCSW) http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/sreply/7214 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:19:30 PST http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/reply/7209/t/Colgan-Air-and-Saab-340.html#reply-7209
You could also go with American, although you'll have to route through DFW. If you're flying IAH, you can get flights with an ERJ and an MD80 (some are MD80 and AT7s--which is a prop job). If you're out of HOU, one's an ERJ and the other is an AT7.

With those options, I'd take Colgan. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (OneAnt) http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/sreply/7209 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 14:55:04 PST http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/reply/7206/t/Colgan-Air-and-Saab-340.html#reply-7206 feeds@kickapps.com (Portastorm) http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/sreply/7206 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:56:52 PST http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/topic/2041/t/Colgan-Air-and-Saab-340.html feeds@kickapps.com (UndueBurden) http://fearofflyingmessageboard.com/topic/2041 Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:10:02 PST