I have a flight in 2 days !
i dont think i will make it this time.
the last one was a nightmare.
please help !!
tnx
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i dont think i will make it this time.
the last one was a nightmare.
please help !!
tnx
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again !! At least 26 hurt as airliner hits turbulence
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 flyanxiety |
again !! At least 26 hurt as airliner hits turbulence |
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Posts: 1 (08/03/09 06:36:27) |
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Portastorm |
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Posts: 90 (08/03/09 06:47:16) |
First of all, I saw video this morning of the jet after it landed in Miami. It looked fine. Know why? Because it WAS fine! No worries there.
As for the people who got hurt, how much do you want to bet that most of them, if not ALL of them, were not wearing seatbelts when the plane hit the turbulence? That is why the FAs always tell you that while the seatbelt sign may be turned off, if you are in your seat, stay buckled in case the plane encounters unexpected turbulence. I would encourage you to contact Capt. Tom and use the immediate help that SOAR Fast Track can offer. |
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esprit12 |
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Posts: 109 (08/03/09 08:08:09) |
Hi flyanxiety, Something we fearful fliers have to accept is that there is always some level of risk in everything we do. The question is do we want to accept that level
of risk? Maybe some of the people injured were just up and about using the restroom. Maybe they were around talking with other people they knew on the
flight. Maybe some had just forgotten to fasten their seat belts when they sat down (A very bad idea). I can almost guarantee that everyone who was belted in
was unharmed. My point is, while keeping ourselves belted in is very important, there are times when we get up and move about the plane particularly on a long
flight. The chances of severe turbulence is very low. So the chance that you'll be up and about and unbelted during severe turbulence is even lower.
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Posts: 110 (08/03/09 12:56:50) |
I just read Capt. Tom's tweet about the Continental flight. The seatbelt sign was on so nobody should have been out of their seat for any reason. Always
have your seat belt fastened when in your seat.
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Posts: 2663 (08/03/09 13:30:19) |
Maybe I should feel otherwise, but for people who refuse to wear a seat belt - even with the seat belt sign is on - I don't have much sympathy. They get
hurt and that makes people thing flying is dangerous.
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Portastorm |
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Posts: 91 (08/05/09 06:45:05) |
I saw a news report this morning that a Pinnacle Airlines CRJ-200 (regional carrier for Delta) hit severe turbulence yesterday at 30,000 feet in Indiana and
had to do an emergency landing due to two injuries (one being the sole flight attendant on board).
Apparently the plane flew through the same weather system that produced severe weather in the area. I am a little surprised that the flight path took this jet through such weather and that Delta dispatch (or whomever) did not re-route them. Perhaps other flights were going through the area and did not encounter difficulties. |
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Posts: 1 (08/05/09 09:20:19) |
I have a question about this - is it even safe to go to the bathroom now in light of this? If you are in there, an unexpectedly hit turbulence, then you are
pretty much screwed right - for lack of a better word?
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Posts: 871 (08/05/09 12:20:59) |
twckfa-
Your post almost sounds as though you're trying to draw a conclusion and make a hard rule about the safety of being out of your seat. It's no more or less safe to go to the lav during flight than it was before this incident. As a rule, when the seat belt sign is ON, you should NOT be out of your seat unless it's an absolute necessity--i.e. you're about to turn your pants into a toilet. When the seat belt sign is OFF, it's ok to get up and use the restroom or get something out of the overhead bin, but do it quickly and return to your seat to buckle in as soon as possible. If you look at the numbers of people injured in turbulence, you'll notice that they're really very low. So the chance you're taking by getting out of your seat at any given point is also quite low. But, yes, if you happen to be going #2 while the seat belt sign is off and the plane hits some unexpected severe/extreme CAT, you may find yourself in a very unpleasant, and dangerous, situation. |
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Posts: 34 (08/05/09 14:55:31) |
It's a pitty I will not be able to join the weekly chat session this week. Probably this "incident" will be discussed. In my opinion it has all
to do with:
1.) A bad habit of some people pretending to know better and refusing to wear their seat belt. Living in Asia, I regularly hear rediculous excuses why people shouldn't wear their seat belt. Same story with switching of their cells... 2.) There are still many big "ego's" out there refusing to even try to listen to safety advise, let it be comply. 3.) Education. My son -2.5 years old- has no problem wearing his seat belt when seated in a plane. Similarly, in my community, our family is being laughed at because we have a child seat in our car. It is seen as a waste of money in the country where I live. Even adults do not wear safety belts in their car nor consider car safety at purchase... Do I need to write more? As Capt. Tom states: no compassion for the big ego's out there! Stefan. |
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Posts: 612 (08/06/09 16:55:15) |
Hi all --
Portastorm -- it's a little difficult to know exactly everything that happened here, regarding the Pinnacle flight. I'm guessing, in the absence of other information, that your last sentence summed it up -- other flights had passed through the area with no problem. Occasionally, I would tell the Dispatcher that I wanted my flight to be re-filed on a different routing, if I wasn't comfortable with the planned routing. Or, at least, I would put on additional fuel, in case I had to deviate substantially. But there is no hard and fast rule here. Apparently both the Captain and the Dispatcher were comfortable with the routing as planned. AA's company policy is to avoid planning flights through areas that have more than a certain percentage of thunderstorm coverage. (I don't remember the exact number -- I would have to look it up.) I concur with OneAnt's idea that getting out of one's seat, when the seat belt sign is on, should be limited to bona fide physiological emergencies. Pilots are allowed to violate any regulation, in the event of an emergency, to the extent necessary to deal with the emergency. (Landing below minimums with an on-board fire, or when about to run out of fuel, would be examples of this.) So, I am always willing to allow passengers to declare their own personal emergency and violate the seat belt sign, for urgent lav use. Other than that, stay seated and keep the belt fastened. And yes, the CO 767 looked fine, because it WAS fine, as was pointed out earlier. Airplanes are built to withstand FAR greater stresses than even this serious (because of the injuries) turbulence encounter. AA's company policy is for a severe turb encounter to be written up in the maintenance log, so that the airplane can be inspected. But this is more a precautionary measure than anything else. (I'm guessing that most other airlines have a similar policy.) I realize that the vision of passengers being bounced off the ceiling is a very disconcerting one, even for non-fearful fliers. Just remember -- passengers who were belted in were not hurt, and -- this kind of severe turb is VERY uncommon. (That's why it made the worldwide news.) Cheers. Steve |
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Posts: 235 (08/07/09 21:55:18) |
This is just anecdotal, but I just flew yesterday and we had moderate chop on and off throughout our 4 hour trip. A few times the pilots asked that the FAs be
seated as well. I was amazed that some folks, still, would stand, take a quick walk, get something out of the overhead bin, stretch, stroll over to chat with
someone, etc. The FAs were persistent about asking them to sit and continuing to make announcements that they should not be standing or unbelted for any reason
while the seatbelt sign was on. But some people just couldn't imagine that the rules could, or should, apply to them.
Their sense of entitlement was irritating. It's rude and selfish on their part, the ego thing that has been discussed in this thread. And sure, they could get hurt if the chop got worse. But so could the FAs who were making repeated trips up from THEIR seatbelts to continue to ask these folks to sit down and buckle up. Obviously and luckily we were fine, but the fact that these folks endanger the crew (even if only remotely potentially) is what really irks me. So anyway, glad we can all contextualize this event and not let it add to our fears as the folks in the media would like. |
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Posts: 615 (08/08/09 17:38:28) |
Hi Meghan --
Oh, I've seen this too, numerous times. These people are the same types who think that, for example, traffic laws (especially speed limits) somehow don't apply to them. (Of course, when they are caught -- and penalized -- they are the ones who whine and cry the loudest over how unfairly they are being treated.) And of course -- it's not only them -- or the F/As who have to get up and try to ensure compliance -- who are subject to injury. It also applies to the passengers who are struck by their flying bodies. For example, YOU, when the guy sitting behind you, unbelted, breaks your neck as he flies forward over the top of you during a takeoff or landing accident. (Please, people. DON'T get into this Personal Freedom horse shit, voiced, however illogically, by so many. When it comes to traffic, or airplane, situations, your idiotic decisions can -- and do -- adversely affect others. Sometimes fatally. No one is an island.) Cheers. Steve |
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Note from Capt. Tom I know everyone worries about weather, but pilots really do not worry about it. We simply - instead of worrying about it - completely prepare for it. Before going to the plane, we review the weather at the destination. If it is not 100% sure to be within legal limits when we arrive at the destination, we must specify an alternate airport in our planning documents, and load on plenty of fuel for going to the destination airport, and then if need be, diverting to the alternate airport. The legal limits are conservative. Even when weather is slightly outside the legal limits, any airline pilot could still land safely. You can rely on the captain never to land when the weather is not legal, and legality limits are reached prior to safety limits. If you are still anxious, call me and we can talk it over. I'm at 877 332-7359 from 10 AM until 7 PM Eastern time. For effective help, even if you are flying in a day or two, sign up now at www.fearofflying.com/fasttrack and call me when you finish Clip 9 so I can make sure you are all set. |
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Using Weather Information If you enter your ZIP Code or City at the top of the weather presentation, it will give you weather for your area. Or, you can enter your destination ZIP Code or City.
Click on the "LOCAL RADAR" button to see whether or not there are thunder- Turbulence, though it may cause anxiety, does not mean anything is wrong. Turbulence does not mean danger. The plane can handle far more turbulence than Mother Nature can dish out. Though flying in turbulence is safe, it doesn't feel safe. And here is where the SOAR programs come in. We can help you feel as safe when you fly as you actually are. You can see these programs at www.fearofflying.com/store. |
